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The Lore You Know: Learning & Legends w/ Ken Gerhard

Ken Gerhard, venerated author, researcher, cryptozoologist and all around really cool guy sits down with Heather Moser to discuss cryptozoology, research, his experiences as an author, his time working in television and much more. 
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Monsteropolis: The Life and Times of Tom Slick

You may have heard of Tom Slick, the man who financed many early expeditions in search of Sasquatch both the in US and internationally. But did you know he was also a scientist, military man, inventor, philanthropist, and much more? Learn the strange, fascinating and tragically short history of Thomas Baker Slick Jr. with Heather Moser, Mark Matzke and guest host Aaron Deese. 
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Monsteropolis: Tom Slick
 
Welcome back, you lawless knaves. 
 
READER MAIL - got at least one - HERE IT IS, from our friend Christine!
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Hi Guys,
 
First of all, congratulations on the success of your 10th anniversary Kickstarter!  I can't wait to see your new films, especially The Siege of Ape Canyon and The Kinderhook Creature.
 
I listened with interest to the Monsteropolis episode where you described the changing nature of the appearance of the Wendigo in popular culture from an emaciated human being to one with antlers and a stag's skull. In the fall last year I became aware of the legend of the Leshy of pagan Slavic culture through an excellent YA novel called "Where the Dark Stands Still" by Polish writer A.B. Poranek. When I googled the Leshy I was astounded to see images of what I recognised as the Wendigo. So this got me thinking - is there a Slavic influence at play here too? Perhaps this is something you could look in to! 
 
I am really looking forward to the book and film regarding the Wendigo which I understand may come out next year. I have been fascinated by the Wendigo since reading Algernon Blackwood's novella and there is one passage in particular that always sticks in my mind:
 
"And soon after he slept, the change of wind he had divined stirred gently the reflection of the stars within the lake. Rising among the far ridges of the country beyond Fifty Island Water, it came from the direction in which he had stared, and it passed over the sleeping camp with a faint and sighing murmur through the tops of the big trees that was almost too delicate to be audible. With it, down the desert paths of night, though too faint, too high even for the Indian’s hair-like nerves, there passed a curious, thin odor, strangely disquieting, an odor of something that seemed unfamiliar—utterly unknown."
 
Christine
 
(your biggest Scottish fan who lives in Germany 😄)
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Today we’re gonna talk about a special guy. A real, real special guy. We’re also going to talk about the history of Sasquatch research in the US, and by extension, the world, and how we might not be where we are without this very special guy. 
 
Thomas Baker Slick, Jr. was born on May 16th, 1916, so this episode will air just under a month before his 109th birthday (right? 109?). Not to be confused with his father, Thomas Baker Slick Sr, who was born in 1883. This can get confusing if you go looking into it and weren’t aware of that. He was from Oklahoma, but moved to San Antonio, Texas pretty much as soon as he could. 
 
Tom inherited a vast fortune at a very young age when his father passed away in August of 1930 - age 46. Remember that number, it’ll be important later. 
 
Unlike the common perception many of us have when we hear the word “millionaire,” Tom Slick didn’t retire to the hamptons and spend his days playing croquet, using words like, “indubitably” and attending the Kentucky Derby. Those are just things I’m assuming millionaires do. 
 
Instead, he spent the remainder of his life pouring all of his energy - and tremendous financial resources - into a number of scientific and industrial pursuits. 
 
He helped to invent the “lift slab” method of construction, which is still used to this day. It sped up the construction process of large buildings and made it a lot safer. Starts with concrete foundations and then uses hydraulic lifts to put pieces into place. 
 
He also financed a TON of scientific research. You could argue it was kind of his main thing, but he had a lot of things. 
He founded the Mind Science Institute, which studied the human mind (wow imagine that), INCLUDING Psychic Phenomena. Yep, it’s getting paranormal now! You were like, “why are we talking about the history of lift-slab construction?”, haha! I know. Just wait there’s more. 
They still exist today, and in fact most of the organizations Slick founded are still in operation at one capacity or another, though some have merged or are now nested under other groups.  
 
He founded the Texas Biomedical Institute and the Southwest Research Institute, which are also both still in operation in San Antonio to this day. Southwest Research does RND for private contractors and the government, and no one is allowed on the facility grounds without a good reason to be there. They’ve been on the History Channel! Modern Marvels, Season 8/Episode 8 “bulletproof,” showing experimental non-lethal weaponry sound stuff, goo stuff, etc.) They also have a test course for self driving cars you can see from the road.  
Barbed wire, security check points, cameras, the works. I drive past it all the time. One of my listeners at HS is a local and has worked there a few times - he says you can’t go anywhere you’re not supposed to be and it’s basically exactly what you’d imagine from a secretive research facility that does work for the government. 
 
Another fun fact though, there is a metal cutout silhouette of Bigfoot on the SWRI grounds which is occasionally moved to different places so people can “search” for it. The SWRI PR rep confirmed as recently as 2022 that it’s still there, and was even kind enough to send me pictures of it, which I’m pretty sure made it into my first book. Hold on I think I have it somewhere.
 Why Bigfoot? Oh, don’t worry. You finna find out. 
 
SWRI (Under the sub-organization Southwest Primate Research Center) has one of the largest “pedigreed non-human primate populations in the world.” They have 2500 specimens on the grounds. Yep, almost 3000 apes, right in the heart of West Side San Antonio. Someday I figure maybe society will collapse and if I’m still around I’ve got a note to go let these guys free so they can inherit the earth. Ape Future, it’s my plan to save the world. We can talk about it another time probably.  
 
This might already be happening though, because rumors also roll around town about escaped specimens, and some San Antonio old timers remember walking past the grounds and seeing the actual primate enclosures before security was upped and the perimeter extended. 
 
Anyway, why are we talking about a bunch of Texas Apes and some guy named Tom? This dude who was also a philanthropist, pilot, adventurer, military veteran (he served as a “dollar a year” man during WW2, taking an officers commission but effectively collecting no salary) and Sasquatch enthusiast?
That’s why. That last bit. 
 
- Tom Slick is widely considered to be one of the first, if not the first “patron” of modern cryptozoology. Why? WHY!?
 
- I’ll tell you WHY, jeez, so impatient lol Because Tom spent A BUNCH of money financing expeditions to search for Bigfoot. He was FASCINATED by Cryptozoology, and truly believed it was worth the time and money to investigate. 
 
And not JUST Bigfoot, young ones, oh no no. Slick was fascinated by the whole scope of Cryptozoology. 
 
In college, he visited Scotland to search for the Loch Ness Monster. (After that he paid a visit to the Soviet Union to “see what it was like” - this will also be important later on). 
 
But Nessie was just the start. Tom didn’t find her, obv, but it was enough to hook him. Hook? Like a fish? In the water? Eeh? Eh. 
 
For starters, he traveled to, and later financed expeditions he wasn’t on, to the Himalayas in search of the Yeti. There are some great historical photos of Tom hiking and camping in them there mountains. He preferred to be on the trips himself, but on one of them was injured in a bus crash while traveling through the mountains. Broke his legs if I recall correctly.  
 
- He was involved in a plot to steal the Pangboche Hand, an alleged Yeti hand kept in the Pangboche Monastery in Nepal. It’s bad to steal from monasteries, just to be clear on that. Robbing temples and other sacred places of their cultural artifacts is bad. But they pulled it off - THEY being Tom Slick, famous actor Jimmy Stewart, and a few other interested parties. 
- The story goes that Stewart smuggled the hand through customs in the case containing his wife’s Particular Garments For Ladies, and that officers were unwilling to search it. Smuggling was a lot easier in the old days dude. Like people talk about old timey criminal masterminds like they were super smart but honestly I think I’d be a great 1950s criminal and I’m not very smart.
- Tom also financed the late great Peter Byrne, AKA, one of the Four Horsemen. Tom would link up with Byrne in the early days and provide just about everything Byrne needed to continue his on the ground research. 
- See, this is where a lot of overviews of Slick’s life begin. It’s obviously super important and the main reason we’re talking about him, but I intentionally stuck 2 ½ pages of notes about Slick’s not bigfoot stuff first. I think it gives you an idea of how BIG A DEAL it is that a guy with this many resources and credentials was so invested - literally - in the search.
 
- Tom was also fascinated by the Orang Pendek, which we talked about in Bigfoot International. He sent teams to Sumatra to look for the thing, and we might argue that he’s responsible for introducing it into the modern cryptozoological roster. Don’t quote me on that. 
 
Slick was also really into giant salamanders, and would also task his “bigfoot teams” with looking for it, which was apparently a point of contention in some cases. “Bro you ain’t paying me to find lizards”
 
We could go on, and on, and on (CAN YOU GUYS THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THERE’S MORE I JUST HAD TO STOP SOMEWHERE) 
 
Slick died tragically in a plane crash on his way back to Texas from Canada at the age of… wait for it… 46. Same age as his daddy, Thomas Baker Slick Sr. 
 
Life is a simulation. 
 
For real though, some people do find this very suspicious. 
 
Even more suspicious when you consider his early trip to the soviet union. 
 
And even MORE suspicious what you consider that Slick owned/was involved in companies that were essentially shell corporations for the CIA. Loren Coleman documents this quite empirically in Tom Slick: True Life Encounters in Cryptozoology.
 
Harkening back to the Soviet visit, some people have speculated that maybe he was visiting on behalf of the CIA. He made the trip to Loch Ness with friends, but moved on to Russia solo. So, I dunno. The fact that he was an officer in WW2 doesn’t do much to knock this idea off either - Slick had documented government/military connections, so who knows what’s still classified. 
 
SO, in summary - very rich very young, poured tons of money into science, industry, philanthropy and cryptozoology, had connections to the CIA and military, also had connections to a lot of famous people like Jimmy Stewart, died at the same age as his father in a plane crash before Slick’s vision/money could intersect with the modern Bigfoot search. It’s likely that Mr. Slick would have passed from natural causes by NOW, but with his resources he probably could have hung on to life for many, many more years. Who knows what else he might have accomplished. 
 
SOOOO it’s really not a stretch to say that Bigfoot Research wouldn’t be where it is today without the four horsemen. Dahinden, Krantz, Green and Byrne paved the way, babyyyy, and Mr. Byrne had some help - a lot of help, by most accounts - from good old Tommy Baker Slick. 
 
A few more factoids about Slick,
 
THAT PODCAST WITH LUKE WILSON
 
He was a major art collector and a good chunk of his collection is housed today in the McNay Art Museum. 
His huge ranch property, Cable Ranch, was donated in parcels to various organizations, like the SWRI and the San Antonio Parks Department. Cable Ranch is a common street name in San Antonio, and Tom Slick Park sits today next to a brand new neighborhood with street names like Nessie’s Way, Yeti Trails and Wildcatter Way (Oklahoma oil guys, like Slick and his cohorts, were often referred to as Wildcatters - Slick’s father was considered the “King” thereof)
Slick was also an author, and a strong proponent of nuclear disarmament. He wrote two books on this topic - The Last Great Hope, and Permanent Peace; A Check and Balance. Haven’t read them myself, but the titles are super inspiring. Really gives you an idea of what his vision of a peaceful future could be like. 
 
Pretty infamous series of Sasquatch sightings in San Antonio from the 70s. I went on a few local SA discussion groups to ask if anyone remembered it during a podcast research dealy, and several people said they had heard that the “bigfoot” in question was an escaped orangutan from the Primate research facility. Not saying that’s what it was because I’m pretty sure we have Bigfoot here, but it’s a fun anecdotal connection between Slick, his real world legacy and Bigfoot. I’m fairly certain that it’s a mix of the two and Slick captured a Bigfoot and today it lives on the SWRI, but nobody seems to agree with me on that even though I dreamed it up all on my own. 
Personally - Just being from here and living in the area for going on 20 years, Slick did a TREMENDOUS amount to bring jobs/development/what have you to San Antonio. Pretty good chance I wouldn’t even live here if it wasn’t for all the industrial development he helped establish. Nevermind the fact that he helped usher Sasquatch research into the twenty first century and give it credibility. 

No Wrong Mysteries with Shane Grove

Shane Grove, co-host of the From the Shadows Podcast joins Heather Moser to talk all things strangeness - including his own frightening brushes with the paranormal, and the diverse array of stories he's heard during his time as a researcher. 
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STM Live: The Bigfoot Trial w/ Eli Watson

STM Live is back, and Eli Watson returns to discuss the second episode of Bigfoot: Mountains of Mystery - Trial of a Bigfoot Killer. 
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Monsteropolis: Bigfoot International

Mark, Heather and guest host Aaron Deese (Seth will be back soon, we promise) take a trip around the world in search of the International Bigfoot. Sasquatch legends are all over the world - like, really, all over the world - and some of them may be new to you.
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The Lore You Know: Season 3 Premiere with Amy Bue

Amy Bue of Project Zoobook joins Heather Moser to kick off Season 3 of The Lore You Know! Sasquatch, ghosts, teaching and much more - don't miss this in depth interview featuring Amy's own personal potential Sasquatch encounter.
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Episode 186: Good Old Greece

Monsteropolis takes a trip to ancient Greece to meet some of the most well known monsters of all time. Did you know Heather is a professor? You will after today! Featuring guest host Aaron Deese. 
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House of Monsters: Werewolf Re: Dogman

We're celebrating one year of House of Monsters - and the finale of the first season - with a creature we've met before, but who is more than deserving of a second look. From the earliest writings of human history to the pop culture phenomena of today, the Werewolf re: Dogman has been around for a very, very long time. Are these creatures real, or pure imagination? Featuring Shannon LeGro of Into the Fray
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Monsteropolis: (185) Monsters of Michigan

As the 2025 Kickstarter draws to a close (there's still time to back!) we're looking ahead at one of the major projects we have coming this year - Dawn of The Dogman. But not that, because it's not out yet! Instead Mark, Heather and Seth are talking about the some of the other Monsters of Michigan. 
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KICKSTARTER is still running. Last episode before the campaign ends. To keep the excitement going we’re talking about one of our upcoming projects - DAWN OF THE DOGMAN, but not THAT, because that’s what the movie is, and you can’t see it yet. Instead we’re looking at the OTHER Monsters of Michigan. At least a few of them. There might be more. 
Wendigo – cannibalistic humanoid monster. Strong association with winter and extreme cold. Comes from native legends. 
Has gained a lot of popularity in the modern era, frequently placed alongside other cryptids, but very much its own Native legend. 
Comes from the Algonquin language/dialect spoken by tribes like Ojibwe, Kree and Saulteaux. 
You can kill a Wendigo by putting hot tallow down its throat, which melts its icy heart and kills it. Otherwise they’re pretty much invincible. At least in some legends. 
Like a lot of native lore/older legends, as the Wendigo has become more popular it’s been adapted as a storytelling motif. A lot of horror/narrative podcasts use it as the “monster of the week,” the video game Until Dawn features the Wendigo as it’s primary antagonist (the special edition or secret ending bonus or whatever for that game has Chad Lewis in it talking about the Wendigo) 
Loup Garou - You’ll have to wait for Dawn of The Dogman. Dogman and Loup Garou aren’t exactly the same thing (Rougarou also) and if we wanted to we could get in the weeds and pinpoint differences between what we consider the modern “Dogman” phenomenon and the Loup Garoux vis a vis the term’s roots in France but nah, we savin’ that. 
Sasquatch - The BFRO lists 225 sightings for Michigan, and those are just the ones that made the cut. 
I don’t really know what else to say about this. Michigan is big and cold and there’s woods, so like, Bigfoot can hide there. Hey, here’s a cool Class A report from the BFRO! 
Spring of 1999, near Copemish/Thompsonville
“I was walking in the woods down a two track by Thompsonville in the early spring morning. On these early morning walks I often scare up deer and occationally a bear so when I heard the noises of something running in the woods I expected to see some such animal. Instead I saw what looked to me like a large man dressed in white running at an incredible speed. He was about 50 yards away and I tracked him for some distance. I was amazed at how he ran so fast through the dense undergrowth. He had to have long legs to be able to traverse the fallen trees and swampy areas.
The next day I was walking in that same area and discovered tracks that confirmed to me it was not a man I had seen. They were quite large - about 18 inches or so. I could only see three toe prints thought there may have been more that didnt inprint and what may have been claws or long toenails that left a mark. The distance between them was about three of my strides long.”
Pressie - five bucks you already know what this is. That’s right baby, a WATER MONSTER, ERRBODY got a water monster these days. ERRBODY also be stealing Nessie’s alliteration. What happened to originality. Just kidding, no really though I don’t like this trend, kind of glad it’s died off, anyway PRESSIE is,
Supposed to be whale tailed and horse headed and have whiskers. Sort of sounds like a big manatee. It hangs out in Lake Superior. Lots of water there, plenty of places to hide. Very good monster place. 
Is Pressie a manatee? Must investigate. 
Probably not. It’s supposed to be 75 feet long. 
First spotted in 1894! Wow. From there it jumps to 1977 with a few sightings in between, and conjecture over rumors of sightings in “the 1990s”
Named for Presque Isle River where it has frequently been seen. 
Nain Rouge - bon nuit, The Red Dwarf AKA Red Man AKA Little Red Man. I did a House of Monsters on this guy. He’s a favorite. 
Said to be a harbinger of bad luck and ill fortune
Shows up before something bad happens
Ya’ll know Detroit be real french? City was founded by Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac in the 1700s. ONE DAY this guy is on a stroll with his wife, when suddenly a TINY RED MAN jumps out of the bushes. Antoine yelled at the tiny man and hit him with his cane, after which he was CURSED. He eventually lost his fortune and died in poverty. 
The Nain has been blamed for a number of tragedies over the years, though whether he’s supposed to be causing them or is just showing up to give people a warning seems to be a matter of interpretation.
1763 - The Battle of Bloody Run - 60 british soldiers are massacred by Native inhabitants
(OH BUT OF COURSE this had nothing to do with the European settlers encroaching upon land and devastating their populations, sure, totally unprovoked, blame the nain, sorry feeling fighty today, been binging Cobra Kai)
The great fire of 1805 - Massive city wide fire, destroyed nearly the entire thing. Massive loss of life and property. In the wake of the fire the city’s flag was changed to include the phrase “Speramus meliora; resurget cineribus,” which means “We hope for better things; it will arise from the ashes.” Man I get chills every time, that’s  inspiring.
1967 - The 12th Street Riot - one of the deadliest examples of civil unrest in the United States at that time. Precipitated by a number of onerous conditions, such as racial segregation and over-policing, the riot would result in 43 deaths, nearly 1200 injuries and over 700 arrests. It went on for five days.
1976 - a huge blizzard knocked out and crippled much of the city’s infrastructure
And other tragic events throughout the years. 
The city would eventually embrace the Nain as a local symbol, holding an annual parade where they chase the Nain out of the city to usher out the bad luck.
Fun fact, there’s an OLDER story about Napoleon taking advice from a Little Red Man who advised him on battle tactics. He only lost when he didn’t listen. He’s supposed to have met the guy in an ancient egyptian tomb before declaring himself Emperor of France. 
PRODUCER’S NOTE - I’m very much of the opinion that the Nain Rouge is a direct folkloric descendent of Napoleon’s little red man, not literally but like, there’s clearly a lineage there. 
Giant Green Squirrel of Amble: “It is literally just a very large, green squirrel.” - Reddit
Okay so. I guess this is a squirrel the size of a cow or a small car. 
It makes a lot of loud chirping and squeaking noises, and it’s also green
There, uh... There doesn’t seem to be a lot more to this. Or anything else. I like it though, let’s make a movie about it. 
https://99wfmk.com/monster-squirrel-amble/
Okay also though, there are apparently giant squirrel legends present in some native cultures in Nova Scotia (The Micmac Tribe) - some researchers believe these were derived from stories about giant ground sloths, which were (are?) a thing. So there is some background to this one. No idea if theres a direct link to the Michigan one. 
There are OTHER weird Michigan monsters, but because the movie doesn’t come out for a bit we’re gonna save ‘em. Thank you for listening, and be sure to go back the Kickstarter RIGHT NAAAOOO - Link in the show notes. There are only four days left (counting today at time of air), and then a brief window for late backing with much higher rates due to kickstarter specific policies beyond our control.
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Tune in next time, until we meet again! (Skeletor running away meme)
 
 
 
 

Appalachian Bigfoot Files with Aleks Petakov

Aleks Petakov returns after another episode of Appalachian Bigfoot Files. Get a look behind the scenes and join us Thursdays at 9 PM EST on Youtube, Facebook or X for STM LIve. 
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